[BCNnet] birding at HE DTA - friendly, co-exist; at Beck Lake? - Pay up!
Rbdoeker@aol.com
Rbdoeker@aol.com
Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:44:49 EST
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Unfortunately this train has left the station. Our challenge is to influence
where the Thatcher Woods dog area is sited and to get preservation of the
forest included in the decision process.
Elsewhere Alan told me his biggest complaint is that the dog areas are
off-limits to everyone but the permit-holders. My initial guess is that is a
liability issue. The county already has 2 very expensive on-going law suits related
to dog attacks. I expect that the language in the permit holds them harmless
for whatever happens within the fenced-in area. (Or I sure hope it does. I
think the FP district is paying $100K per month right now just on the legal work
for the two suits from Dan Ryan Woods.)
Randi Doeker
Chicago
In a message dated 11/8/2003 8:03:53 AM Central Standard Time,
judymellin@netzero.net writes:
I agree with Alan on this issue. He and I have birded the dog training area
in Hoffman Estates with no problems or conflict with the "dog folks." It is
open to all who choose to come with the caveat that dogs are supreme here.
I think that the establishment of a dog training area with a fee would not
serve any purpose. Dogs- even those that run loose- would not be banned from
other areas or preserves so why would this be done? There are certainly not
enough FPD police to monitor these activities and who would know if the owners
were carrying licenses?
I was charged by two rottweilers at the Poplar Creek Forest Preserve a couple
of years ago while their owner watched. Would a license have prevented this?
No, because the owner was violating the leash law so he would never have
observed a license law.
If we begin carving up our already degraded preserves for special interest
groups, where will it end? Who will be responsible for being sure that these
areas are maintained for dogs? Who will clean up after them?
The FPD was established to preserve public land for public use. Establishing
licensed areas would, in my opinion, be the first step in eroding that
mandate.
Judy Mellin
Bird Monitor
Poplar Creek Prairie Stewards
Hoffman Estates (Cook County)
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<DIV>Unfortunately this train has left the station. Our challenge is t=
o influence where the Thatcher Woods dog area is sited and to get preservati=
on of the forest included in the decision process.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Elsewhere Alan told me his biggest complaint is that the dog areas are=20=
off-limits to everyone but the permit-holders. My initial guess is tha=
t is a liability issue. The county already has 2 very expensive on-goi=
ng law suits related to dog attacks. I expect that the language in the permi=
t holds them harmless for whatever happens within the fenced-in area. (Or I=20=
sure hope it does. I think the FP district is paying $100K per month r=
ight now just on the legal work for the two suits from Dan Ryan Woods.)</DIV=
>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Randi Doeker</DIV>
<DIV>Chicago</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 11/8/2003 8:03:53 AM Central Standard Time, judymell=
in@netzero.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I agree with Alan on this issue. He and I have=
birded the dog training area in Hoffman Estates with no problems or conflic=
t with the "dog folks." It is open to all who choose to come with the=20=
caveat that dogs are supreme here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I think that the establishment of a dog training are=
a with a fee would not serve any purpose. Dogs- even those that run lo=
ose- would not be banned from other areas or preserves so why would this be=20=
done? There are certainly not enough FPD police to monitor these activ=
ities and who would know if the owners were carrying licenses? </FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was charged by two rottweilers at the Poplar Creek=
Forest Preserve a couple of years ago while their owner watched. Woul=
d a license have prevented this? No, because the owner was violating t=
he leash law so he would never have observed a license law. </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If we begin carving up our already degraded preserve=
s for special interest groups, where will it end? Who will be responsi=
ble for being sure that these areas are maintained for dogs? Who will=20=
clean up after them? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>The FPD was established to preserve public land for=20=
public use. Establishing licensed areas would, in my opinion, be the f=
irst step in eroding that mandate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Judy Mellin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Bird Monitor</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Poplar Creek Prairie Stewards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hoffman Estates (Cook County)</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUO=
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